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    Default 1:30 rule in Office.

    I was going to set this as a poll but that's a waste of your time and a waste of my time. First of all, I can't think of a good admin in Office. When it comes right down to an admin's job and what their purpose is, there isn't one good admin in there. Maybe it has to do with the fact that, for the most part, the admins tend to favor playing on CT side but maybe not. So, I propose letting the 1:30 rule die out. It serves no purpose at all. It's never enforced yet it's always threatened. During the days when no admin is online, it's actually quite interesting to see how the server is played. You end up with Ts checking out snowman while CTs sit on the ledge in front yard. It's not really that different from how it's played in the server now. I can't remember the last time the CTs actually rescued all the hostages with more than :30 left on the clock. Now, I did a test, just for the hell of it. If you get the projector room hostages last, it takes roughly :18 to rescue them through back yard. If you account for the rescuer checking for Ts with their primary out, add another :06. That's :24 total. If the CTs were rescuing all the hostages at 1:00, that leaves :36 on the game clock. Since the CTs should be grabbing at least two hostages by 1:30 (which only ever happens when you have the idiots who only rescue two of them), they should either rescue or kill all Ts in plenty of time, right?

    Apparently not. The reason is a simple one. People are too concerned with their kdr. They don't want to rescue the hostages and win the round, they want to get a "Holy Shit" and wait until the last possible second before doing anything they have to. The admins don't ever slay camping CTs, unless it's some nameless CT no one's ever heard of who's camping back window with :27 left. There is a rather large bias when it comes to that. The "name" people get all the time and leeway in the world and never get slayed. I often wonder about that since it's a common practice to slay Ts who kill or meatshield hostages--Funny thing about that. I understand the rule for slaying Ts who kill hostages. After all, it changes the game. But, when it comes to meatshielding, there's also a bias. Ts can't meatshield at all without being slayed. CTs, on the other hand, can take the hostages and camp right in front of them in spawn or drop them off between the doors to paper and projector. This goes back to my theory of bias on the part of admins being CTs. They don't want to lose points, either, especially since it's -10 per hostage. They'd rather the Ts shoot the hostages and lose points.

    My final point. Admins, I've noticed, LOVE to slay AFKs. Especially when a T is about to kill one. A couple nights ago, the CTs died off extremely quick and the Ts were racing to the AFK with about 1:38 left on the clock. The admin slayed the AFK just before they got there. They literally can't stand letting the Ts get kills. I've never seen a T AFK get slayed in all my time playing here. I don't know. Just pointing out some things that I've noticed.

    My main point is that you should just get rid of the 1:30 rule. Nobody respects it and nobody's afraid of it. They all know, Ts and CTs, that they're not going to be slayed for camping past 1:30. Then again, what do I know? Don't bother asking me to reply to this thread. I'm not going to. This is just putting my thoughts out there to be considered. Whether anything's done about it or not is no concern of mine. That's for you guys to figure out.

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    1. Admins favor CT's.
    -I'm a Dust2 admin so I don't play office too much but I have friends that play it and are admins as well. Every time I go in they play both. I've just checked their stats on the stat page and once again proves that most of them play both t's and ct's equally. So this point is non valid.

    2. There are no good admins on office.
    -He states this but does not state why there are no good admins. What are they doing wrong? TBH we don't even have a lot of office admins at the moment so is hie mixing up admins with the donators that have special color text? Not enough info so invalid point again.

    3. Hostage meat shielding. The reason we don't allow it isn't because of points. We can care less about points and your rank in the server. The reason why T's aren't allowed to do it is b/c it removes 1 of the 2 objectives of the map. It's like throwing the bomb into a unreachable place on a de map. If we allow meat shielding then the T's would camp hostages forcing ct's to kill the hostages and eliminating an objective. This is why we don't allow it. Has nothing to do with -10 points for killing a hostage. If a CT meat shields a hostage then by all means kill the hostage to get the CT. It's his fault then not yours. Point is non valid b/c he misunderstood reason behind rule.

    4. Admins love to slay afk's. HUH??? Big deal? I like slaying afk's too. So the T's can't get a free easy kill. What's your point? The reason why we don't slay AFK t's are b/c they get killed before there are few enough T's alive for us to notice. We also give them a chance to come back. Seems like he's the one worried about KDR and points b/c he can't kill a afk ct. Once again point invalid.

    5. Final and main point, 1:30 rule. Once again this is because he does not understand the point of the rule. The point of the rule is so that after majority of the players have been killed we want the players to make an attempt to rescue the hostages so that we don't sit around for a minute and 30 seconds watching a ct crouch in a corner playing with himself. You also state that no one enforces it and no one gets slayed. That is false because although I'm a fellow admin, I got slayed b/c I was screwing around back window. Like I said before, there aren't a lot of office admins and sometimes they're afk in spectate. Don't mistaken donators with their colored text to be admins.

    I see that this guy has been around since 2009 so it's possible that before I came here things were different and there were some bad admins but that is in the past. That means this post should be done then and not now. Our current admin team in office are not bad and should not be blamed for what their predecessors did. Please understand and if you have a problem bring it up to a higher admin [SM], [SSA], etc. Or you can even bring it up to other admins who will then in turn contact upper admins for you of your problems. If there are admins in their abusing their powers or doing anything very wrong feel free to demo it and submit it so we can take steps into resolving the issue. Also note that admins are players too and don't want to or aren't expected to be 100% hacker police and babysitters. If you think you have what it takes and enjoy keeping things running smooth like the military feel free to apply to be admins and I'll watch you burn out within a month. Thank you and have a nice day. <(^_^<)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viper19007 View Post
    Nobody respects it and nobody's afraid of it. They all know, Ts and CTs, that they're not going to be slayed for camping past 1:30.
    I beg to differ.


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    Just to clear up some points Wil made:

    Meatshielding: No one is allowed to meatshield. This goes both ways. Admins should be warning any player that meatshields or brings them into harms way (ie. moving them from their default location into the middle of T-spawn or paper).

    AFK's: They should and usually are moved to spec within a few rounds. If you find that an afk hasn't been moved to spec just find an admin via chatbox, steam, or vent.

    The 1:30 rule: The rule is meant to prevent CT's from camping for long periods of time, and so long as an admin is present it should work as intended. The fact that CT's don't rescue the hosties before :30 is irrelevant. Its a little hard for the CT's to rescue the hosties in projector with a room full of camping T's.

    Another thing to consider is this: Just because the rule states that CT's can't camp beyond 1:30 doesn't mean we will slay the player right at 1:30. The rule actually means that the CT needs to be moving towards the hosties when 1:30 hits. If we were to crack down and start slaying people at 1:25 we'd quickly lose our player base from being asshole admins who are too strict with the rules. Instead of complaining about the 1:30 rule they would be complaining that we're too strict.

    I feel like the real issue here is admins not enforcing the rules to your liking, or perhaps, not enforcing them at all. In either case your best off taking a demo and submitting it to management with your concerns. The other option is to find a different admin to come in and take care of the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Wayne View Post
    Another thing to consider is this: Just because the rule states that CT's can't camp beyond 1:30 doesn't mean we will slay the player right at 1:30. The rule actually means that the CT needs to be moving towards the hosties when 1:30 hits. If we were to crack down and start slaying people at 1:25 we'd quickly lose our player base from being asshole admins who are too strict with the rules. Instead of complaining about the 1:30 rule they would be complaining that we're too strict.
    Totally agree. I can say alot of people in Reg Office would love to slay all ct's right at 1.30, but that would cause so much rage and hate.


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    I feel like the real issue here is admins not enforcing the rules to your liking
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    first off, admin are in the server to regulate the server and keep spammer and hacker from clearing the server and also promote a fun playing environment. if they are moving toward the objective a few second after 1:30 then I'm not going to slay them but if they are doing it every round then yeah they will be slay. Saying " there aren't any good admin" base on a certain rules is pure shallow minded.

    on T side they would love admin to slay all the CT and on CT side, they dont want to be slay at 1:30.
    for an admin, sometime a little bit odf common sense can go along way.
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    well i guess if you were talking about killer then ur right. He's not a good admin <(^_^<). We keep him b/c of his sig. It's so hawt!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viper19007 View Post
    I was going to set this as a poll but that's a waste of your time and a waste of my time.
    Reading this post was a waste of my time..

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    Quote Originally Posted by wil View Post
    well i guess if you were talking about killer then ur right. He's not a good admin <(^_^<). We keep him b/c of his sig. It's so hawt!
    I don't think he is talking me. I don't remember him in hideout. and dont be hatin Wil
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    *sigh*

    I play in NG For 2...maybe 3 reasons. First and foremost i leave some, what i like to call, Viewing Pleasure on the walls in projector for the enjoyment of others. Secondly, i come for fun of playing counterstrike. When you join certain servers You are ALWAYS Going to get people who dont play like you. I love the fact that you are speaking out and making suggestions. Not most do. It shows you care about rules and understand the servers rules. Admins are not payed to do adminy things. So some are better than others. Some yell a lot, some spectate for hours instead of leaving to release a slot, mot dont put @ in their name to show they are admins, etc. No ones perfect. Just point out the rule breakers and yell at them like i do until they start doing something. Call them silly names and say they suck and make yo mama jokes at em. This is a game. And games are supposed to be fun. Counterstrike is just a game. A Game i have been addicted to for well over 10 years.

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