Thread: Sv_pure!!

So is there any special reason why NG allows sv_pure 0 when 2 blocks people from cheating...I mean this could clear up alot of people from not playing legit like others are!!

[FONT=arial]Food for thought sv_pure is completely useless and serves only to turn legitimate custom content into scratchy messes and wireframes.

First, we need to consider the role of sv_pure. Primarily, it's meant to prevent material hacks. That's all well and good, but there's a problem:

The default sv_pure 1 whitelist does not prevent wallhacking.

If I had a skin that allowed me to see playermodels through walls, sv_pure 1's default whitelist would not block it. The only 'hack' I've ever seen anybody express concern over that would actually be blocked is louder Spy decloaks. However, I feel that this is an unwarranted concern; VALVe's already made the decloak noise fairly loud, and if somebody really needs to cheat to hear it they probably suck and won't be a threat even with the 'cheat.'

Now, okay, I admit that you could also conclude that sv_pure 2 should be the default, since that would stop wallhacking; however, I would lean towards being more open with custom content no sprays no models no configs nothing.
This would hinder the expansion of noobgalore considering most people have some type of custom addons in their game which are not hack related.

Why would we change that for 98% of the community [/FONT][FONT=Tahoma]where an admin can just ban the 2% that hack?[/FONT]

I concur, sv_pure 2 please. Since i've been playing again on hideout i've already seen 3-4 hackers (apart from the ridiculously blatant ones) and some of them are regulars sadly. I'm not one to complain about hacks, i'm not a bad player and I can recognize the difference between legit and nonlegit. I really love the NG community/enviroment which is why I've been playing here on and off for years now, and will continue to do so. But it makes it less appealing when people can get away with obvious triggerbotting or toned down aimbots. Nevertheless I still enjoy the NG servers, and will continue to play here regardless!

Another yes to sv_pure2, im with Reload here, i hate seeing 'regulars' on office that have multiple sourcebans for SMAC violations and dont play on sv_pure2 servers (i wonder why?????). Realistically id say a vast majority of office players dont use weapon skins so it wouldnt create a problem there either (working off previous knowledge and assumptions, could be somewhat wrong). Everything im saying is for counterstrike, i cant claim i know how things are with team fortress 2.

After reading a few of the previous threads on the subject it seems that the reason it hasnt been done is that a. will lose server population b. admins handle problems anyway.

I really dont see dozens of people not playing on office/hideout anymore because they cant use skins. A majority of people DONT use skins. Really see no evidence that droves of people would leave office/hideout if server were to be set to sv_pure2

As much as i appreciate the admins on the server half the time they are afk spec and unless a hacker is being completely blatant they will be ignored, i've taken time out to demo and submit a few of these guys but its annoying when these guys simply wouldnt be on the server had there been SMAC or sv_pure2

Yes the Pure setting would stop all walling, except it wouldn't. there are still ways to get around sv_pure, and I'm sure if they are already cheating, they will get around it no matter what. Why would you take away legitimate players fun with custom weapons, gloves, visual effects (supergore), when we have a dedicated admin team to deal with those that abuse the freedom?

The Whole point of using sv_pure 2 is to make sure whom ever is using the cmd's to cheat they can't anymore...And therefore if they wanna continue then they get VAC BANNED!! or play legit...And cmon people really need skins in order to play this game? Thats some BS this is CSS not TF2

I <3 my custom content and glad I can still use it! One of the great things abot NG!

Originally Posted by HyperC

The Whole point of using sv_pure 2 is to make sure whom ever is using the cmd's to cheat they can't anymore...And therefore if they wanna continue then they get VAC BANNED!! or play legit...And cmon people really need skins in order to play this game? Thats some BS this is CSS not TF2

Server traffic drives the community more then 35% of players use some type of custom game files. If we don't allow it they will just find somewhere else to play. CSS isn't getting any younger if you are not expanding as a community then your a dead community. To not try to capture this market of people would be foolish. By passing sv_pure 2 is not hard there are other private hacks that would make no difference what the server is set at. If you truly feel that there is starting to be a problem with hackers get some more posts in here and apply for admin. Or demo the hacker and have the Demo Review Team look at it and ban the person.

when you've been playing css for 5 years, you get bored with the same old skins, which is why i have custom skins.

I'm not saying you guys are wrongly accusing someone else of hacking, but if NG went off simply people saying someone is hacking, that would be half the server. The reason it takes so long for someone to be permabanned for hacks is there are too many variables on css to consider. NG tries to be 200% sure so they know they are not wrongfully accusing someone of hacking and permabanning them from the server. What if it were you t3fla or reload or even hyperc who was wrongfully accused of hacking? Wouldn't be singing the same tune now would you?

Originally Posted by Riku.exe

when you've been playing css for 5 years, you get bored with the same old skins, which is why i have custom skins.

I'm not saying you guys are wrongly accusing someone else of hacking, but if NG went off simply people saying someone is hacking, that would be half the server. The reason it takes so long for someone to be permabanned for hacks is there are too many variables on css to consider. NG tries to be 200% sure so they know they are not wrongfully accusing someone of hacking and permabanning them from the server. What if it were you t3fla or reload or even hyperc who was wrongfully accused of hacking? Wouldn't be singing the same tune now would you?

Except we all have been accused of hacking and it's funny how we're all the ones that want sv_pure 2 to stop people from hacking lol.. Actually t3fla and I did notice a regular that was hacking pretty blatantly so t3fla demo'd him and submitted it. I think that was like two days ago or something, not sure if it's even been looked at yet. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't get banned, even with the mountain of evidence that was brought fourth. I'm just saying that it would stop people like that, and it would cut out the time it requires the players and admins to submit demos/review them. Seems to be a pretty sluggish process.

I understand why people use skins, and there is nothing wrong with using them. But there has to be some kind of compromise that can be made. At least by using sv_pure 1 or something, or having more active admins to monitor servers/demos. I'm just throwing out ideas here, no need to be snide.